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Tuesday, April 26, 2005

MN Lefty Liberal gets it wrong

--posted by Tony Garcia on 4/26/2005

MN Lefty Liberal makes two claims that need to be addressed.
If he is willing to break his pledge (again) just to give the Twins a stadium, then surly he is willing to do so again. This time to save the lives of 30,000 hard working Minnesotans, who's only fault is they are working poor.

First thing is that the stadium proposal does not have a request for state funding thus there is no increase in taxes. The "roof option" is just that: optional.

Next, just because there are working poor there is NOT an imperative for me to pick up their bills. Sorry. I have been homeless, so do not preach to me about the virtues of looking out for our brother, blah, blah, blah. The only thing that got me out of the ranks of "poverty" was my own hard work. I was not helped by getting handouts. In fact, handouts would have been worse for me in the long run...it would have kept me suckling off the teet of the benefactor and I would still be working for food.
Governor Pawlenty, be the bigger man. Do not choose the same path as Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Delano) and pick ideological hatred (this time towards the poor) over saving lives. As Governor, it is your sworn duty to protect the lives of your citizens.

The left has this huge problem. They mistake disagreement on policy for hatred. Their leaders spew actual hate (things that people would normally be fired or charged for) while turning the accusations to the right.

Get a grip. Wanting to hold the line on taxes is not hatred. Wanting people to live their own lives AND live through the consequences of those decisions (good or bad) is not hatred. In fact, that is the most compassionate ideology.

You can call me evil. You can say that I am hateful. That is OK. The truth is that Toughlove is the best love. That is the only way to fix society. Creating government program leeches is the malicious way to go.


Blogger Bigg said...

And the conservatives' position on gay marriage isn't hateful? Please.

April 26, 2005  
Blogger André said...

I am unapologetically against gay marriage. I don't hate gays.

As Anthony said, calling something hate because you don't agree with it doesn't make it hate.

Obviously, we won't change each others' opinions on gay marriage, so I won't get in yet another debate on the issue, but use a little common sense when forming an argument.

April 26, 2005  
Blogger Tony Garcia said...

actually to answer your question, knott, speaking on my position on gay marriage it is NOT hateful.

But to stress my point again: by simply not taking YOUR position that earns the label "hateful"...

I thought it was liberals who detested things like "labels" and "profiles".

April 27, 2005  
Blogger Trillin said...

Just as a quick response:

While there is no state tax increase, the legislature still needs to approve the stadium deal, and the Governor needs to sign the bill. Hence, he is agreeing to a tax increase. If he signs the bill, it is his tax.

2nd. Whether you keep people on Minnesota Care or not, you will still be picking up the bill in the end. Who do you think pays for it when they show up at the emergency room because they have no general care? You and I in our higher premiums.

So no, I am not wrong. And yes, if I don’t look out for my fellow man, who will? It’s about priorities, and I will stand on mine any day.

I do appreciate your views though and welcome any further ones. Please feel free to by any time at MN Lefty Liberal

April 27, 2005  
Blogger lloydletta said...

It is a tax increase - socking it to Hennepin County residents - and the taxpayer's league needs to hold Pawlenty's feet to the fire on this one.

I hope the Minneapolis legislators en masse refuse to support this.

I'd be glad to write my legislators urging a tax increase on Dakota county bars and restaurants to pay for the stadium. I rarely go down there, so it won't effect me.

I'm curious whether you support the current wording of the Bachmann amendment - which goes far beyond gay marriage to banning any recognition of "legal equivalent" - this is far reaching language which could overturn wills, power of attorney and other extra expense, extra work gay couples generally do to try to protect their relationships.

April 28, 2005  
Blogger Tony Garcia said...

lloydletta, when a congressman makes a pledge for "no new taxes" he can not be expected to take responsibility for the elected bodies at lower levels (i.e. states or localities).

So it goes with the governor. If a county or city wants to increase its taxes that is up to them. The Governor should submit to their wishes and hold his promise which is for the state spending.

The bottom line is this: the left would have tried to hang the Governor on the stadium no matter what. Had he decided to undermine the locality in their self-governing the left would have bitched about that.

In the end the option to allow the localities to do what they feel is best for them has nothing to do with the Governor's promises with regards to state-wide government management.

And to answer your question, lloydletta, just like you do on your blog your comment is more hyperbole than fact or opinion justification.

You can put your hyperbole on the correct thread. I prefer to keep the comments on topic and will thus draw the line here.

April 28, 2005  
Blogger lloydletta said...

The legislature has something to do with this also. Pawlenty could say he'd veto this bill without a referendum. He did not. He'll just say that about a gas tax increase for roads and transit.

Hennepin County doesn't have the authority to do this without legislative approval. Pawlenty is part of that.

April 28, 2005  
Blogger lloydletta said...

I was responding to other commenters here who were talking about gay marriage - that's why i asked about the Bachmann amendment as currently worded - which goes beyond banning gay marriage.

April 28, 2005  

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