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Saturday, October 07, 2006

Why Not Arm the Teachers?

--posted by Pete Arnold on 10/07/2006

Wisconsin Rep. Frank Lasee wants teachers to carry guns.
And I agree.

Now, before you start screaming and yelling, (of which I would love to have a discussion on this) just like requirements for the Conceal and Carry Permit, the people carrying firearms would have to be authorized by the local sheriff and also go through Firearm safety classes and they would have to pass tests and qualify with the firearm on a range to show they know what they are doing... yea... they don't just let you have a gun and go pointing it at people. I know MSNBC didn't tell you this, but you'll have to believe me.

Why not just make a school a Gun Free Zone, so people can’t bring guns into them, you ask? We’ve tried already. Schools are already “Gun Free Zones," yet look at all the Gun violence that happens in schools. If your argument is that Guns cause violence, then Gun Stores and NRA Conventions must be hubs of violence, what with them having far more guns then the average school right? Wrong.

I performed a Google search using the words: killed in gun store, and came up with 2 cases where someone in a gun store was killed. One occurrence was in 2005 and the other was in 1998. I'm sure there could be more... just like there could be more school shootings that aren't documented. If you find any, please correct me.

When I performed a Google search using the words: Killed in school gun, I came up with a lot more then two cases. This site, for example, shows several shootings (not only in the US but mostly), and ABC here talks about it too.

ABC Says:

Between 1992 and 2002, 462 people — including students and faculty — were killed at schools across the country.
And that’s not counting 2003-current. Now, if you are trying to make the argument that Guns add to violence, tell me why Gun Free Zones have had far more violence then places where Guns outnumber people (gun stores for example)?

Think about it. All these shootings are happening in "Gun Free Zones" or places where the people who choose to break the law and bring guns in illegally KNOW FOR A FACT that no one there has a gun to defend themselves, because everyone else is following the law. The people who follow the rules here are at the mercy of those who choose to break them. If you are going to go shoot up a place, would you rather go someplace that bans guns, or someplace that allows people to carry?

Its obvious that like the "War on Drugs," the "war on guns" is going to fuel the fire they are trying to put out. Odd, isn't it, that people can argue for legal drugs in the same breath as not allowing legal conceal and carry permit holders. If guns cause violence, why are there not killings in gun stores every day? This violence is only happening in places that restrict guns. Also, some will try to make the argument that “this is the wrong message to send our children”

What is the wrong message? That mad men can come into their school and no one can do anything about it until it’s too late? Also, some have attempted to make the argument that “oh, teachers will be able to go off on their kids with a gun if they loose control or go over the edge” This is the exact same thing people said when the Conceal and Carry laws were passed in every state. “Oh, now road rage incidents will turn out to be shoot outs” Has this happened? No.

Now, the Anti-Gun people will say that more guns mean more violence. Let me ask you something. If guns didn't even exist, do you think people would find a way to hurt each other without using a gun, or do you think that people just won't hurt each other any more? My point here is that people will find a reason to hurt each other.

Some people thing guns should be banned completely, blaming not the people who use them, but the firearm itself for the murder or the crime. Of course, this person yells about Counterstrike (the video game) was, and I quote:

obviously trying to feed off the September 11th tragedy

Dispite the fact that the game was published in 1999. This person also considers video games a menace. I wonder if they feel the same way about books in print. LOOK OUT!! Ann Colter is selling her opinion! She must be stopped with a nation wide book ban! (Note: Tony does not like Ann Colter, and ThePete doesn’t worship her, but appreciates an occasional Right Wing nut-job to try to balance the scale of political nut-jobs. If anyone wants to compare nut-job piles between the left and right, bring it.). Now this person that I chose for an example is a freak’in nut-job. You all know that Banning guns is not possible. I mean, The Second Amendment states:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Lets look at that again:

A well regulated Militia
being necessary to the security of a free state
COMMAthe right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
Speeking of Nut-Jobs, by the way, Rosie O'donnal has this to say about the second admendment:
Well, its not really a right
This is the kind of talk you hear from the far far left. "If guns were Illegal, there would be no more deadly violence." Whatever. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Friends, listen... Despite what Rosie O'donnal and the left say, making guns illegal will not protect people.
So what about this whole 'teachers should have guns' thing? Crazy right, bringing more guns into a school will just increase an already volatile situation, won't it? I mean, you arm people and let them carry guns, that will just increase violent crime with guns, won't it? Cause, it doesn't deter crime... right?

Wrong, wrong, wrong! At least... if you believe some professors who did some study:
In a study dated July 26, 1996, John R. Lott Jr. (School of Law: University of Chicago) and David B. Mustard (Department of Economics: University of Chicago), they pointed out how conceal and carry reduces violent crime and assists in raising billions (yes, with billions with a "B") of dollars through multiple forms. Here is what they have to say in the abstract:
Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate assaults would have been avoided yearly. On the other hand, consistent with the notion of criminals responding to incentives, we find criminals substituting into property crimes involving stealth and where the probabilities of contact between the criminal and the victim are minimal. The largest population counties where the deterrence effect on violent crimes is greatest are where the substitution effect into property crimes is highest. Concealed handguns also have their greatest deterrent effect in the highest crime counties. Higher arrest and conviction rates consistently and dramatically reduce the crime rate. Consistent with other recent work (Lott, 1992b), the results imply that increasing the arrest rate, independent of the probability of eventual conviction, imposes a significant penalty on criminals. The estimated annual gain from allowing concealed handguns is at least $6.214 billion.
Please, friends. I beg of you to read this study (you can view the full version here). If you are for or against concealed hand guns. If you are against it, you surly are not afraid of some right-winged agenda from swaying your opinion right? I watched Michael Moore's piece of s**t and Al Gore's fantasy movie. I tore them a new one with discussions afterward. If you don't agree, then read it and tell me where it is wrong. Go ahead. Try me.

Also, I would be here for hours longer If I were to summarize only the good points in the study. To bottom line it: Conceal and Carry firearms save lives.

Our schools can learn from real life examples just as we can learn from school. We have learned from school that no one in a school is protected, evil sick people are taking advantage of it. School can learn from the rest of the country that Conceal and Carry firearms in schools will do the same. Deter people from committing acts of murder there.

If you make guns Illegal, all you will end up with is people using guns illegally to harm people who may have protected themselves, but are not because they don't want to break the law. This is what we have done by making schools "Gun Free Zones." It is time for that to stop. Its time to allow qualified permit holders to protect themselves, and deter these violent massacres from happening.

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